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nick

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hello how are you doing man it's so good

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to see you yeah

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i am doing very well i just had an

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extreme close-up

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that was me okay to do that time to time

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uh how are you doing with like how's the

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smoke doing over there

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are you in l.a no we are in tucson

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oh i thought you were in l.a for some

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reason my wife's a professor at san jose

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state

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so when she's teaching we're in san jose

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but of course we have been or she has

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been

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online only since late march so

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so we we went to our desert home in

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tucson so i'm

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speaking to you from from the edge of

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the national park surrounded by cacti

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and javelinas

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actually sounds wonderful i'll tell you

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we're missing the desert this time of

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year this is usually when we're all

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out talking about ufos

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in the desert during this time of year

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how are you doing with covid

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are you surviving uh i am indeed

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surviving

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and uh yeah i i mean i you know

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not not obviously minimizing it or or

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anything but it's fortunately it really

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hasn't

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touched uh me or any family or friends

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so um yeah it's good hopefully hopefully

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we will be

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out of this oh hello uh hopefully we

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you will be out of this soon one way or

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the other

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whether it's it's vaccine or herd

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immunity or mutation to less

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lethal strain or all of the above uh

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we will see but yeah we're we're doing

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good and

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um yeah we're we are you know we're

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we're pretty socially distanced anyway

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as it is on

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on like three and a half acres of

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natural desert

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here in tucson homes great and

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if you think that sunlight

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is is obviously kind of good at killing

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the virus we're in the right place for

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that

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and i mean today now i guess we're in

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the fall

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today as i speak to you it's i think

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it's 103

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here um you know yeah i was just telling

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joe it's so

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hot where i'm at but not you joe

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no what is the temperature there it's

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like 58

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because he said he's a he's an organ

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yeah nice and close to the sun

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it's very bright there where you're at

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yeah yes well you know we

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going back to what you said yeah we

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there were a few days

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even here in tucson where it was

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hazy and there was a very slow smell of

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of smoke

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had we been back up in the bay area of

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course we would have we would have

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gotten

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all the the smoke from the california

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fires and probably

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oregon too because i think it drifted

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for a while but we've been spared that

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too which is

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which is good i mean apart from a little

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haziness and some really spectacular

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sunrises and sunsets and things

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yeah it's uh here in california it's

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been as you know

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absolutely insane it's a lot better

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though the past few days because i've

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been having headaches but

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i want to move on i just want to catch

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up with you man it's so good to see you

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we've met you i've seen you several

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times and

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um we can't seem to escape you

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um are you a time traveler

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are you well you know

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back in well i think it must have been

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2034.

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i attended a time travel conference

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and oh wait a minute no sorry

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okay you we're doing the linear time

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thing here aren't we so i have that

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has not actually happened yet and you

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don't remember what you guys did at the

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bar

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so are you time traveler oh wait did we

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ask that question i don't remember now

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my mind is all screwed up i'll tell you

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man i see

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i've seen all of the documentaries i

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swear all the ufo documentaries

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and you are in so many of them and i

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think it's so awesome i actually joke

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with you on social media

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um but uh we look up to you in that

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sense we look up to you we think it's so

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cool because

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yeah um you're pushing the narrative

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that is

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i think balance and great uh in this

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crazy community when some when you know

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we're pulling each other in so many

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different ways

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much like the country is we've got

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people um

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that are so committed to the ufo

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phenomenon being real

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and then now we've have these people

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that are even coming forward in bigger

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ways to say

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it's definitely not real like i want to

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get into for just a minute with you

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uh the dod videos the uh

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as you know 2017 was a big year we got

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the videos from the dod

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and i've seen them more times than i

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want to i'll tell you that

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but um and i've heard you talk about

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them so many times

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on uh tucker carlson on fox news um

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we're getting these this feedback from

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people that

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they seem to be more of a camera

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artifact

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of some sort or a problem with

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the system and i wanted to ask you being

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involved in having come uh you know from

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your background what do you think about

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that sort of thing i mean is it possible

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that the government would release videos

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with such

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basic artifacts like that

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not really because here's the thing if

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it was just

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i mean absolutely people make mistakes

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you could have pilot

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misperception you could have

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a radar glitch and you could have

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an artifact of the ford looking infrared

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camera

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but to have all three of those things

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kind of going

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wrong at the same time all happening at

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um some of whom had acquired this

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and and you know they know a thing or

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to have that happen at the same time as

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making mistakes the system playing up

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the ford looking

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infrared camera with with problems

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an awful lot of things would have to go

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wrong at once and and the point is all

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those things are independent systems

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and what what a pilot physically sees

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what a radar system tracks what a flare

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camera records those are three different

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it's stretching credulity a little bit i

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think

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that there is something physical

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tangible solid and real on those objects

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the question then becomes

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is it us is it russia is it

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china or is it from somewhere a little

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bit further away yes

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we always think about um these videos

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um i i from what i understand that there

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actually be a longer version of them

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have you heard anything about that

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yes a couple of things firstly i mean

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obviously look

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no one's pretending not very few people

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are pretending

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that there are only three of these

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i mean nobody really is seriously

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suggesting that the us navy has only had

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three of these

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incidents in fact if you look at what

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last year when they announced that they

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to their own pilots telling them what to

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do if they encountered these things

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material that they put out through their

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public affairs people they used a phrase

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you know in response to a a series of

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ongoing incursions into restricted

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military airspace

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well that doesn't mean three and

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yeah in conjunction with that there was

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a response to a freedom of information

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request where they did turn around and

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which are classified secret and there

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are briefing slides on this

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classified top secret so now the

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implication it's not

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a hundred percent whether these are

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different videos or more likely

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the same videos but maybe longer

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put in but the other thing is every

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these videos are a snapshot right

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but everything is part of them well yes

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every story has a beginning a middle and

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an end and what you're seeing with those

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little videos in one sense

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it's the middle what what we don't

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really have

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is is the beginning and end of the story

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whether that's

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actually on film or whether it's the

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assessment that the us military and the

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intelligence community will have and

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they will have one

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i mean officially the position is

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these are unidentified but that's not

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the

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of government and

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you know government ufo revelations uh

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the new uh

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senate uh uh

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security oh my goodness senate yeah

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the basically the senate intelligence

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committee thank you

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said it's yeah i wonder i get your

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thoughts on the senate intelligence

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committee in the

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report and why i think it's just so

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interesting when that came out

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and then the time frame that the

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information is supposed to be gathered

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can you give me some more information

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that you might have on that i'm so

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interested to know what we can think

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or what we could actually possibly look

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forward to seeing maybe

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sure well for the last two and a half

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years

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some people within congress uh

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both senators on various committees and

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their staffers

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have been looking at the same sorts of

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videos that media and

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the public have seen and and seeing some

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of the

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paperwork related to this and listening

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to some of the officials involved in

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these programs

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speaking out and and they've said wait a

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minute you know you you told us

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that that nobody was looking at this

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issue and it was all crazy stuff

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now we find that you've had these

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million multi-million dollar programs

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and that these things are being

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chased and filmed what's going on

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and so what's happened is that over the

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last

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two and a half years the senate

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intelligence committee but also

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the armed services committee have been

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asking questions about this and some

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senators have gotten classified

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briefings

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just

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say okay it's unidentified that's it

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you know of course they went into you

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know because they all have been pushed

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back and

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and the president's been briefed too and

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and nobody goes in to brief the

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president or these senators and

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says know we don't know and gathers

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their papers and walks out because

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it's like wait a minute stop you know

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exactly uh

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we get that you don't know but what's

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your best current assessment

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and they'll go through all the theories

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look could this be china

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could it be russia could it be a u.s

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black program

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and they will assign a kind of order of

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probability

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to the various theories and one theory

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will obviously be

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at the top of the list and yeah it won't

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be definitive

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but they might have a reasonable degree

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of certainty about

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it and there's even an old cia

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paper on this where basically

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dating back to the vietnam war where

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they did a brief

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and they said well it's likely that the

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north korean

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the the viet cong have this and

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you can't go into those sorts of

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briefings and use words like

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likely because somebody comes out and

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thinks well

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better than 50 50 and someone says no i

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took it as being 99

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so they they even have a paper where

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they they kind of get into the sorts of

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words that briefers use and what they

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mean

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so you know look all this will have been

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done and some of those senators came out

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and they said yeah we've been briefed

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and the question has said well

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yeah so and what's the story and they

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went well it's classified i can't say

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so something's going on and what

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happened was

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what's brought this to a head is the

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senate intelligence committee like i say

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some of them have been briefed

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and bear in mind uh kamala hat kamala

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i'm a brit i can get away with mangling

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just about any pronunciation oh i gotta

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hear your american accent

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do you hell yeah

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[Laughter]

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say hell yeah bros oh hell yeah bros

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that's pretty good okay i gotta try my

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english accent

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hell yeah bros quite so

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quite so quite so quite

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so alien aliens at the pentagon

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you guys need to figure that out i'm

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just saying aluminum

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there we go out of control and you guys

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are out of control and when i put

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something into the car i usually put it

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in

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the boot but that over here is is

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trunk and we won't get into slang names

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for cigarettes but

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you know that's another story anyway oh

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[Music]

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could that one could that one cause some

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misunderstandings uh that would get a

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little bit awkward but

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anyway i love it what is it what is this

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saying

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two nations divided by a common language

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anyway two nations so

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where were we i don't know we went out

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to put a little uh

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off path there looks you know we were on

388
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a time travel thing you know i think i'm

389
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stuck in a time loop

390
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i think you might be as a matter of fact

391
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and i think i'm stuck in a time loop

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[Laughter]

393
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you know i think you might be this is

394
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too much

395
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we could do this all day

396
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this is the whole interview right here

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this is the

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so okay one more uh let's move on i want

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to talk about trump

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um his comments on roswell i found that

401
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to be

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very very mysterious uh

403
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because the as you know i mean i feel

404
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like i'm telling you

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the guy who's you know you mean your

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depth of knowledge but i'm just saying

407
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for the people listening

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um you know roswell was said to just be

409
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a weather balloon period

410
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project mogul but trump when quizzed

411
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by his son trump jr about roswell and if

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he'll ever reveal the information

413
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trump says i i i don't know i gotta look

414
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into it and he said something that i

415
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thought was weird which was

416
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um something very interesting i can't

417
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tell you about it but it's interesting

418
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something along those lines to sort of

419
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paraphrase trump do you recall that

420
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interview

421
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i absolutely recall it and there's a

422
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really interesting

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the end

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i mean trump is obviously trump and he

425
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doesn't normally

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kind of ask permission to say

427
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something or worry about what he said

428
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but if you

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if you watch that interview that

430
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that he did the very last thing

431
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he says is is and i'm paraphrasing

432
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but it's it's something like uh am i

433
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gonna declassify it in the

434
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future we'll have to see and he does a

435
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kind of

436
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look off to the side like

437
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with a and he does a little thing he

438
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does

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i mean people should go watch it it's

440
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it's out there on

441
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triggered and he doesn't like approval

442
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or something little

443
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like did i go too far with that

444
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know uh okay

445
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was that okay you know i mean obviously

446
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okay okay great wonderful is that good

447
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people can or maybe he's just jesting

448
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and teasing

449
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but as i have said aliens

450
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would be the ultimate october surprise

451
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thank you for bringing that up because

452
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i gotta say if there's ever been a time

453
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now's the time because he's like you

454
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know

455
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sort of a bull in a china shop in a way

456
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uh and

457
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do you think that that's really gonna

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happen what do you think is he gonna

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tell us

460
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is it gonna reveal anything it depends

461
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it really depends

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a how much there is to tell

463
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and and be tied in with that whether he

464
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was speaking from a position of

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absolute certainty as to what we're

466
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dealing with or just a little bit of

467
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:07,039
well there's something going on but i

468
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don't know what and you know

469
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the the a couple of other things he said

470
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on this have been interesting uh one

471
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other interview this was at the end of a

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reuters chat

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and it was the very final thing there

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and i'm not sure that this one was

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filmed it was recorded of course but

476
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at the end of that uh he talked about

477
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those three navy videos again

478
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and and he said in relation to one of

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them he said

480
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it's a heck of a video uh and who knows

481
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maybe it's real now when he's been

482
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previously

483
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interviewed on this and he's been

484
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interviewed by tucker carlson

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and um the the

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one of the other journalists on abc he's

487
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he was a little bit more skeptical so

488
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what it's like every time he's

489
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interviewed on this

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he edges a little bit further and

491
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further

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so look with where the poles are

493
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at the moment and uh maybe the need to

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pull out something totally from left

495
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field this would be the time oh yes

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what do you think that would sound like

497
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what would that sound like

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what would he say well

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we come out you know it's a press

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briefing you know

501
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what do you think like could you just

502
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walk us through a little bit what that

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would be like

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okay and because you did it so well i'm

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not going to do

506
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the speech the speech

507
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would probably go something like this

508
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and and here's what i

509
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you know if if any of this is true

510
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here's how

511
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it might go down yes yes

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for maximum effect and

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in the polls i mean and

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and for maximum you know timing

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this being and you can't do it in

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november a

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it's too late and b you can't have an

518
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october surprise in november

519
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i guess of course well of course so

520
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and and you can't have it in september

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either so

522
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somewhere in october

523
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that the white house press office

524
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kind of goes to all the media outlets

525
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and says the

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president will be addressing the nation

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at

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yeah okay five o'clock

529
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there's a clue there already okay five

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o'clock

531
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eastern oh yeah

532
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and and we can't tell you what it'll be

533
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about but

534
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it will be the biggest

535
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most impactful announcement

536
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in human history um yeah

537
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oh man everyone everyone will be going

538
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oh wow

539
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and that's already that's gonna be crazy

540
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so then

541
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you know it will cut to the oval office

542
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and trump will be there and he will look

543
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straight down the barrel of the camera

544
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and he will say my fellow americans

545
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people of the world we are not alone

546
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and he will pause

547
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and everyone will do exactly what you're

548
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in my capacity as president of the

549
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united states and commander-in-chief

550
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i have decided after decades

551
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of silence and conspiracy i

552
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your president have decided that

553
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you the people deserve to know that

554
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there is an

555
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extraterrestrial presence interacting

556
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with humanity oh wow

557
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and here's the story and then then

558
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it will unfold and and you know

559
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then then there will be you know i am

560
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i have set up a space force and some of

561
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you

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they're coming here they're horrible

563
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horrible people

564
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but we're gonna build a big space wall

565
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and

566
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uh no i'm i'm joking are they friendly

567
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is going to be are they friends baseball

568
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i just

569
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think about my question yeah and the

570
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aliens will pay for the space wall

571
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and and then you see the beauty of this

572
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i mean

573
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i'm speaking hypothetically uh yeah this

574
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,159
this interview is probably going to stop

575
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,240
spark all sorts of conspiracy theories

576
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,840
i'm speaking hypothetically of course

577
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,960
but here's the thing you know in

578
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:16,159
something like

579
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,159
this if the ufo community is right

580
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,000
and if this is really the ultimate

581
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,440
secret that that

582
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,919
really every every president on their

583
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:26,640
first

584
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,919
day kind of someone comes in with a

585
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,440
little book and says

586
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,320
you know uh we we need to brief you now

587
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:36,320
about something that isn't

588
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,159
you know in all the files and okay

589
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,559
it's about the aliens and the presents

590
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:43,679
like what

591
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,440
uh right so the point is that

592
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,600
if this really is the ultimate october

593
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:50,799
surprise

594
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,320
um biden might not be briefed on it

595
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:57,039
and and and you know so suddenly they

596
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,520
have

597
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,720
like no no position on it and and what

598
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,640
that does is it it puts

599
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,559
trump and the republicans in the driving

600
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,480
seat and they're the ones with all the

601
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,440
answers

602
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,360
uh the other candidate doesn't know

603
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:10,559
anything about it

604
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:13,279
and and that's why it would be a hugely

605
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,240
impactful

606
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,679
october surprise and

607
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,760
you know the rest of the story would

608
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:20,960
unfold the

609
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,360
the problem with that if it's true

610
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,240
is that the follow-up question would be

611
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,440
well hang on

612
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,360
you must have known about this for four

613
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,480
years why now

614
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,799
isn't that a little cynical so this sort

615
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:35,760
of thing

616
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,120
could blow up in his face but

617
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,679
just let's face it the reality of an

618
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:42,720
extraterrestrial

619
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,080
presence for a few weeks anyway

620
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,240
might might kind of be such a big thing

621
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,960
that people might not be combing through

622
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:53,600
the back story about who knew what when

623
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,240
right

624
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,400
so much as they would be going there are

625
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:57,919
aliens

626
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,039
right i wonder do you think it would be

627
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,640
we're not alone because there's

628
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,400
microbial life

629
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,520
do you think that that would be oh no no

630
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,480
okay that that would not cut it because

631
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,679
99

632
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:14,640
of people would say so what absolutely

633
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,039
and

634
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:18,240
we we had a dry run for that two weeks

635
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,960
ago

636
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,360
with the life on venus thing and yeah it

637
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:22,480
was

638
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:27,520
story in the great scheme of things

639
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,039
this could be this revelation could

640
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,440
you know whoever announces it i mean it

641
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,440
would put them that would be their

642
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,240
i think one of their biggest historical

643
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,669
um in uh most impactful things

644
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,919
uh you know as during their presidency

645
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,159
so like for example if trump reveals it

646
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,000
you know in a hundred years they're

647
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,760
gonna remember that trump revealed alien

648
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,360
or the extraterrestrial presence and

649
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,799
that he was also very very

650
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,720
you know people were very divisive about

651
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,240
it but this

652
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,000
would ultimately be i think something

653
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,679
that would

654
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:07,430
definitely would be a good political

655
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:07,919
move

656
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,600
a um you're so crazy joe

657
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,640
yeah that was the bottom honor yeah

658
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:17,840
the the bottom line is that that

659
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:21,039
for years the ufo community have been

660
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,520
saying

661
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:24,960
oh uh this current president

662
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,000
whoever it's been you know could be the

663
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:29,520
disclosure president

664
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,960
because this and this and this

665
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,320
let's face it if

666
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,360
there is an alien presence

667
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,640
trump in the current

668
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:45,279
position in the polls in which he finds

669
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,000
himself

670
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,679
and with his personality and character

671
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:52,000
being what it is may be compared to

672
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:52,799
others

673
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:56,000
if there is an alien presence october

674
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,200
2020

675
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:00,480
is your best maybe your only chance of

676
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,520
getting it

677
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,640
from from the horse's mouth

678
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:07,919
uh you know so if if trump

679
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,960
doesn't do it then sorry i'm gonna get

680
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,720
more skeptical and i'm gonna think well

681
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,960
maybe there it really is nothing to tell

682
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,400
except yeah there's something but we

683
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:17,600
don't know what it is

684
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,200
because if trump doesn't do it now

685
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,840
no one ever will i don't think they will

686
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:25,360
either

687
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,600
i i i think that your call on this

688
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,679
is a good call i think it would be the

689
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:33,039
time

690
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,600
now to do it and that was so cool just

691
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,440
i was totally enamored by you walking us

692
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,120
through the process of

693
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,600
what we would expect to see in here that

694
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:44,559
would be sort of

695
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,230
extraterrestrial life would that be and

696
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,080
i wonder one of the first questions

697
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,840
one of the first questions probably are

698
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,840
they friendly i would assume

699
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,880
yeah um and in one

700
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,520
sense the answer to that is well we're

701
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,840
still here having that conversation

702
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,039
and they haven't wiped us out and look

703
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,240
every civilization that's visiting

704
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,600
us because of the scientific and

705
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,880
technical

706
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,080
know-how and expertise involved in

707
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,840
viable interstellar travel

708
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,720
any civilization that comes here is

709
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,039
going to be orders of magnitude above

710
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,760
our own so we're going to be in that

711
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,720
territory of

712
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,520
if they wanted to wipe us out they would

713
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:37,360
have done by now and they could do

714
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,960
so that looks good that we're still here

715
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,799
having that conversation but yeah

716
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,679
everyone would remember everyone like

717
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,960
everyone remembers

718
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,440
everyone of my generation remembers

719
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,880
where they were and what

720
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:53,279
they were doing when the towers came

721
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,919
down

722
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:56,960
the generation before everyone remembers

723
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,559
like uh you know people jfk

724
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,840
or or people landing on the moon uh

725
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,039
you know but but that it would be

726
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,520
of of that order of magnitude and the

727
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,159
smart thing is to get the maximum

728
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,080
audience you announce like about

729
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,120
three or four hours before like you

730
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,799
announce that this press conference will

731
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,799
be happening you don't say a word about

732
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,399
what it's going to be except

733
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,520
this this teasing hint that it's the

734
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,080
biggest announcement in human history

735
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,200
and you have the world

736
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,880
watching it would be

737
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,600
incredible we need to have that happen

738
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:40,960
if not will you run

739
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:44,080
for president i think i mean

740
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,360
just run around releasing the

741
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,320
information nick yeah that's all we need

742
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:51,039
you see it'll change the world yeah it

743
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:51,679
will

744
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,159
but i'm here on a green card

745
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,520
a not a citizen i i think so

746
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,880
so i'm a i'm a a lawful permanent

747
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:04,720
resident but not a citizen

748
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,000
so i can't stand oh

749
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,840
no well there goes all my hopes and

750
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:12,960
dreams

751
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:16,720
you know i mean unless

752
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:20,880
unless i do a quick citizen

753
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,480
kind of thing and stand next time around

754
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:27,360
on that ticket as an independent

755
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,679
who would be your advice vote pope

756
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:34,720
vote pope i love it

757
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:38,000
i'll be your pope um i have so many

758
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,120
questions that um

759
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,480
we probably don't have the time to get

760
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,799
into but um

761
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:44,640
let's see i wanted to talk about with

762
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,360
you i want to get into

763
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,360
skinny bob alien video joe and i are on

764
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,799
this mission to figure out what this

765
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,559
video is about

766
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,240
is it we covered it on our travel

767
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,120
journal special storming area 51.

768
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,679
um what is your thoughts on that video

769
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:00,880
is it fake

770
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:04,240
you know i think it's fake but and it's

771
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:04,720
been

772
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:08,720
watched it i can't remember whether i

773
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:11,440
settled on saying it's a kid in a suit

774
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,080
or

775
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,279
it's just cgi and kind of special

776
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,360
effects and trickery

777
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,600
but that's what we keep saying that's

778
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,960
what we keep hearing because

779
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,080
we keep asking people in these

780
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:24,159
interviews like that's our thing it just

781
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,640
feels

782
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,519
real is the thing that we keep saying so

783
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:28,559
if you happen to be

784
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,230
not real in the way that that maybe some

785
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,000
people think it is

786
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,919
well nick we need your help to locate

787
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,600
the origins of this

788
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,399
mysterious alien video because we want

789
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:48,640
to know who made it where it came from

790
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,039
i know you know well

791
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,519
if i had still been working at the

792
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:57,519
ministry defense

793
00:32:01,269 --> 00:32:00,720
i would have had access to all the sorts

794
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,279
of

795
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,760
intelligence community resources and

796
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:05,600
capabilities that could

797
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,760
track down these sorts of things and

798
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,159
i probably can't say much about this and

799
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:13,840
i don't know the technicalities

800
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,200
anyway but there are we have ways

801
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,519
we have ways of figuring out you know

802
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:20,880
you can take a

803
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,320
out a lot about

804
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,440
where it was made and you know

805
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,720
all that there are there are things that

806
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,640
you can do

807
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,120
this is what i hear i hear that there

808
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,399
are um

809
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,640
there are ways to get the things you

810
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,440
need

811
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,640
um especially with your background uh

812
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,799
now how long have you been i just kind

813
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,919
of moving my just i want to talk about

814
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,039
you for a minute

815
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,039
how long have you been um on this

816
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,559
subject in this topic how long have you

817
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:51,679
been involved

818
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:55,039
i mean how many years can you goodness

819
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,320
um i first got involved in 1991

820
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,000
and that was the time that i was

821
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,000
basically assigned to the uk

822
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:08,159
government's ufo program at the ministry

823
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:09,120
of defense

824
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,720
now i did that job for three years

825
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,360
but i subsequently stayed involved with

826
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,640
the subject

827
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:19,519
i came out of retirement or early

828
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:20,240
retirement

829
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,840
which i took for example to help with

830
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,600
the declassification and release of the

831
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,440
uk government's files not

832
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,360
least because of course i wrote so many

833
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,200
of them but uh

834
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,120
so and when this come out they'll be

835
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:34,559
like yours right

836
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,549
yeah yeah we we declassified and

837
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,600
released about

838
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:48,640
60 000 pages of documents and they're

839
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,120
all

840
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,240
you know they're uh they're on

841
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,840
the national archives website in the uk

842
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,399
but john greenwald has has them on his

843
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:00,960
black vault website for free

844
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:04,720
um and when did this happen oh

845
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:08,440
the first batch came out in may

846
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,879
2008 and before the atip story broke

847
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,720
it was the biggest story in the ufo

848
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,919
community for years

849
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,560
i did interviews on the bbc i did

850
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:20,720
interviews on on

851
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,359
nbc how many pages did you say

852
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,639
60 000. okay so there was

853
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,320
that makes sense there was a case i was

854
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,679
trying to figure out there was a

855
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,599
release of information and for some

856
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,119
reason i didn't connect

857
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,520
the uk files and i researched everything

858
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,960
i remember reading that there was an

859
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:43,040
impending release of information that's

860
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,000
what i was thinking

861
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:47,200
yeah you know it it there is that

862
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,960
too what happened was we released all

863
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,599
this

864
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:54,480
material but then people obviously

865
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,040
didn't

866
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,440
stop seeing ufos and even though the

867
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,040
ministry of defense in the uk

868
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,160
terminated their program

869
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,480
people were still seeing these things

870
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,920
they were reporting them they were

871
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:07,520
making freedom of information act

872
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,240
requests

873
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:09,839
so there's a whole bunch of material

874
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,880
that happened after we released all this

875
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,599
stuff

876
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:17,040
um and that's going to it was due to be

877
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,520
out

878
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,680
by the end of march but obviously the

879
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,760
government response to

880
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,200
covet 19 delayed all of that

881
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,520
okay that's where i'm hopefully

882
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,079
hopefully it'll be out by the end of

883
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:32,400
this year but there's no smoking gun in

884
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,119
it and

885
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,960
the most interesting stuff is already

886
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,280
out so don't hold your breath on that

887
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,680
one okay

888
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,040
i hope there's there's supposed to be

889
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,720
more release from the

890
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,359
senate intelligence committee there's

891
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,200
they're supposed to gather

892
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,640
the ufo data for the people right yes

893
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,079
the senate intelligence committee

894
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,200
formally asked the director of national

895
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,119
intelligence

896
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,599
in consultation with the secretary of

897
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,640
defense and

898
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,760
and other agencies as appropriate

899
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,839
uh senate intelligence committee

900
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:08,800
basically said we

901
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:11,599
we want to report on all this and all

902
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:12,079
this

903
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:15,839
being being the us navy videos

904
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,200
the wider incursions incursions over

905
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,079
other um military installations

906
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,599
including right ones

907
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,119
investigated by agencies like the fbi

908
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:30,240
uh and and they want this report to

909
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,960
be um unclassified

910
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,520
although they appreciate that that the

911
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,359
parts of it may be classified and that

912
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,280
there can be a sort of classified

913
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,880
annex to it but essentially they want

914
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:46,400
something that's going to be

915
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,800
publicly releasable now uh in response

916
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,200
to the senate intelligence committee

917
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,200
demand for this report

918
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,359
which was a demand they made in the

919
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,440
intelligence appropriation act

920
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,640
for fiscal year 2021

921
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,839
the basically they've set up this unit

922
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,240
called the unidentified aerial phenomena

923
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:10,160
task force and one of

924
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:14,880
one of the uap task force's

925
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,320
main jobs is going to be

926
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,960
to to respond to the senate intelligence

927
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:22,160
committee interest

928
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,839
to draft this report um and and

929
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,320
basically to satisfy the remit of the

930
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,640
intelligence committee to do something

931
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,680
they said do something so the

932
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,680
pentagon turned round and said we've

933
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,680
done something we've set up this

934
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,560
task force sounds really impressive task

935
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:41,200
force

936
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,280
yeah right what we don't yet know is

937
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,560
is this task force a whole

938
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,560
bunch of people working on this full

939
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,000
time or is it

940
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,280
one person doing this every other

941
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,240
tuesday

942
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,000
afternoon in their tea break right

943
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,960
we we i mean so it could be it could not

944
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,400
be the revelation

945
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,440
that we all might be expecting the

946
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,640
if i've learned one thing and i've

947
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,680
i've done this both from the inside

948
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,400
looking out

949
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,599
and now from the outside looking back in

950
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,680
if i've learned one thing it's you never

951
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,200
get what you expect

952
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,839
in this subject and that seems to be the

953
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,480
case

954
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,839
also yeah you never know frankly

955
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,760
yeah you never really get what you hoped

956
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,119
for either so

957
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,160
so i suspect that when

958
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,359
when senate intelligence committee get

959
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,280
their report

960
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,560
it'll be well you know

961
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:45,040
they'll dress it up in the language of

962
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:46,000
kids flying

963
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,839
drones over military bases

964
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,680
they'll put a lot of that kind of stuff

965
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,240
in and that is a big issue it's it's

966
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,240
you know there's no getting away from

967
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,079
the fact that's important

968
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,640
but it's not really what people want to

969
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,680
know about

970
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,400
you know and yeah it's it's so it's a

971
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:05,920
bit like saying

972
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,920
you asked for a report on ufos well

973
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,240
planet venus was very bright last night

974
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,000
and we get a lot of satellites

975
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,800
sure that's true but it's not what

976
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,400
people really want to know

977
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:20,079
it's like answering the question without

978
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,440
answering the question

979
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,240
yeah essentially yeah and so there will

980
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,320
probably be a throwaway line or two

981
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,119
in there saying despite all this best

982
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:31,520
effort

983
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:34,880
some sightings remain unidentified and

984
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,320
we remain committed to researching

985
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,760
investigating this and we take the

986
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:43,440
territorial integrity

987
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,880
of u.s airspace very seriously

988
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,720
and we take the safety of our people and

989
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,160
equipment seriously

990
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,440
blah blah blah i should write it now

991
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:56,720
i can write it now i bet you probably

992
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,760
could because i've written

993
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:01,200
because i've written those sorts of

994
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,109
right just kind of this very general

995
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:08,400
sort of

996
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,640
our october surprise though nick

997
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,079
i really do yeah me too i'm looking

998
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,400
forward to that i uh

999
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,520
i wouldn't mind something on roswell and

1000
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,280
just kind of looping back to that kind

1001
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,119
of earlier conversation it just sounded

1002
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,480
like there was more to the story there

1003
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,480
so i hope we get more on that

1004
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:29,520
um for people listening that are new

1005
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,560
to researching uh ufos and kind of

1006
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,480
you know a lot of ancient alien fans

1007
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,079
have come into this

1008
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,480
sort of new norm about the ufo reality

1009
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:42,000
through the show and through people like

1010
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:42,640
you

1011
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:47,280
of i guess advice to newcomers

1012
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,200
to not get too lost uh in this

1013
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:54,640
this cur this potentially crazy

1014
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,680
ufo community um what would be your

1015
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,240
biggest

1016
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:01,680
nugget of advice there firstly

1017
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,440
without wanting to disparage anyone's

1018
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:07,839
research i would say of course please

1019
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,720
please remember that 99

1020
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:13,119
of everything that you'll read about

1021
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:14,480
this subject

1022
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:18,400
will be either misidentifications

1023
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,800
hoaxes delusions or general bs

1024
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:25,920
um but then as a follow-up point

1025
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,280
i'll say but that's not really the issue

1026
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,560
it's not important

1027
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,880
just you bear it in mind and then set it

1028
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:35,920
aside but you need your critical filters

1029
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:40,640
so you can spot what goes into the 99

1030
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,599
basket and what should go into your one

1031
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,119
percent basket as

1032
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,200
hey that's interesting

1033
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,560
absolutely okay nick so

1034
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,160
um we have here um i think we're just

1035
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,359
about wrapping up here i got all the

1036
00:42:04,390 --> 00:41:58,880
questions here

1037
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:04,400
um do you have anything

1038
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,839
you've never told anybody

1039
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,160
maybe you want to reveal it here today a

1040
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:12,800
ufo related something

1041
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,000
you know there's an

1042
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,680
old saying in the intelligence community

1043
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:22,640
that the only way to keep a secret is

1044
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,030
he said the intelligence community joe

1045
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,720
inside knowledge

1046
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:35,280
not the idiots well it's two different

1047
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:36,240
things

1048
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,599
so to answer your question

1049
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:42,560
yes there are plenty of things that i've

1050
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:42,880
not

1051
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,720
told people any smoking guns what

1052
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,359
i've not told people those things for

1053
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:51,119
very good reasons

1054
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,560
which might be because

1055
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:58,000
they are classified might

1056
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:04,309
extraordinarily politically sensitive

1057
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,280
and

1058
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,560
you know it might just be

1059
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,000
a sense of loyalty separate from

1060
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,720
my security oath which still binds me

1061
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,800
for life even though i've left of course

1062
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,680
so right so yeah with with apologies

1063
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,720
with apologies

1064
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,800
yes there are things that i can tell you

1065
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:24,720
but no i'm not gonna tell you

1066
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,480
it's i with hand on heart though

1067
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,680
it's not a kind of

1068
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:34,000
ladies and gentlemen people of the world

1069
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,359
we're not alone

1070
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:38,880
kind of thing if

1071
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,920
if we are not alone i am not

1072
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,480
the guardian of that particular secret i

1073
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,119
have not

1074
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:48,079
been taken to an air force hangar where

1075
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,720
we

1076
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:51,599
had one of them it's never been probed

1077
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:52,240
either

1078
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:56,000
i've never been i have never been probed

1079
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,319
poked prodded with any extraterrestrial

1080
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,440
implementation of any sort you've been

1081
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,119
probed intellectually

1082
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,240
oh all the time including in including

1083
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,560
in this interview

1084
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,880
right that's what we do see we don't

1085
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:14,480
probe

1086
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:20,160
mind

1087
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,160
maybe one day you could be a ufo bro too

1088
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,119
maybe we'll see i mean we have there's a

1089
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,720
few cases i need you to solve a few

1090
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,000
things we need you to do

1091
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,760
but we'll see about maybe getting you on

1092
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,440
the crew

1093
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,480
yeah that that would be good we can

1094
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,920
discuss it at that time

1095
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,160
travel conference i mentioned and you

1096
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:42,160
can keep your secrets

1097
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,319
i'll share some of mine oh yeah um

1098
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,000
it's it's it's the bros code

1099
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,040
yes yes bros code

1100
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,160
i love that nick thank you so much thank

1101
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,280
you man

1102
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,640
for coming on yeah i'm just having a

1103
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,960
blast um

1104
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,400
i hope you had a great time i know we

1105
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,400
did it's nice to actually finally have

1106
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,920
a full conversation with you we've only

1107
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:07,599
seen you in passing and stuff so

1108
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,200
yes yeah it's it's good to do i mean we

1109
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,200
obviously covered some serious issues

1110
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,480
but but

1111
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,560
had some fun with it as well we were a

1112
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,079
little bit more light-hearted

1113
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,720
than i can get away with being on some

1114
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:21,839
of the shows i do

1115
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:25,040
so thank you for that absolutely there's

1116
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:26,240
so many ways

1117
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,680
about this subject without

1118
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,200
having to make it all spooky all the

1119
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,680
time we like to just also too you are

1120
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:36,079
you know a human being you're not just

1121
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,040
nick pope

1122
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,400
so it's cool to know about what you're

1123
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:40,079
up to and how you're doing and all that

1124
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:41,359
stuff too because you've got a lot of

1125
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,160
fans

1126
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,440
and a lot of people that like to know

1127
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,440
that sort of stuff so um

1128
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:47,200
gosh my mind is blown with all the stuff

1129
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,319
that we've talked about today i don't

1130
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,760
even know what i want to do with it

1131
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,760
especially that moment uh your

1132
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,119
presidential uh

1133
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,640
revelation there nick was amazing i

1134
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:56,560
really hope

1135
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,510
yeah we'll be back at you if october's

1136
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,400
the surprise

1137
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,839
you got to be back on the show okay even

1138
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,880
though you'll probably be on tucker

1139
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,520
carlson

1140
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,720
i'm sure uh you know if in fact

1141
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in one in my last interview with taka

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i said something like i hope this

1143
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comes up as a question in in one of the

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presidential debates of course

1145
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and and then i said to taka um

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this would aliens would be the ultimate

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october surprise

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and i think he said something like well

1149
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if it is you you must come back and

1150
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we'll talk about it and i said

1151
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absolutely

1152
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all right so you have two commitments

1153
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we'll see you next time nick thank you